Pulitzer prize-winning historian Daniel Walker Howe talks about contemporary politics, the antebellum era, his disagreements with other historians (including his disagreements with MindPop host David Sehat), and why, in spite of Donald Trump, he still believes in progress.

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Music credit: Glasstress by Max Casacci and Daniele Mana/ spoken word audio added to the original

Photo: Wood, London, England, July 2017